Welcome to the next step of our creative journey! In this episode, we’re diving into the stage of the Creativity Quest called “Taking Ownership.” This is where our creative adventure starts to get really interesting!

So, what is this “Taking Ownership” guidepost all about? Well, it’s the stage where our authentic selves get to shine. It’s when we step into our creative power and start to truly own our creative identity. At this point, we’re moving away from relying heavily on mentors or teachers and stepping into our unique creative selves.

But, and this is a big but, it can be a tricky stage. It’s easy to get caught up in our own egos. We might start thinking we know it all and get a bit carried away. That’s where the importance of balance comes in. We have to find the sweet spot between claiming our creative truth and staying humble. After all, humility keeps our creativity grounded and prevents us from spiraling back into old phases.

Join us as we explore the challenges and triumphs of the “Taking Ownership” guidepost. This stage is where we do some deep inner work. Just like in the previous stages, it requires profound self-honesty. We discuss how “Taking Ownership” has shown up in our creative journeys and how we’ve navigated its twists and turns. It’s all part of the quest to become the best creative versions of ourselves!

Resources

• Around the Writer’s Table YouTube Channel
• Story Camp Women’s Writing Retreats
• Melody’s book, Soul of the Seasons
• KimBoo’s writer support services on Fiverr
• Gina’s Ream page, The HiSTORYtelling Hub
• KimBoo’s Ream page, House of York
• Gina’s Substack, Gina’s Quill
• KimBoo’s Substack, KimBoo’s Scriptorium

Ep. 27: Creativity Quest: Taking Ownership

Dave Hogan, Gina’s Pop
0:02
Welcome to Around the Writer’s Table, a podcast focusing on the crossroads of creativity, craft, and conscious living for writers of all ages and backgrounds. Your hosts are Gina, Melody, and KimBoo, three close friends and women of a certain age, who bring to the table their eclectic backgrounds and unique perspectives on the trials, tribulations, and the joys of writing. So pull up a chair and get comfortable here around the writer’s table.

KimBoo York
0:43
Hey, y’all, it’s KimBoo. Welcome back to Around the Writer’s Table. We are in Episode 27, which blows my mind a little bit. I’ve been uploading these things, our past episodes, to YouTube. And wow, we’ve covered a lot of material. But we’ve still got a lot more to go. So we’re happy that you’re here to join us again around the writer’s table. Brief introduction. I’m KimBoo York. I am a romance novelist and former project manager who helps writers and solopreneurs find time, mojo, and motivation to create. I do a lot of coaching as well. And of course, I’m here with my lovely co-hosts. Gina, if you’d like to tell us a little bit about yourself.

Gina Hogan Edwards
1:27
Hello, KimBoo. Hello, listeners. Great to be here today. I’m Gina Hogan Edwards, and I am passionate about supporting women in finding their voice, especially on the page and just leaning into their creativity.

KimBoo
1:42
And of course, we also have the wonderful Melody, who has been working out in the hot sun for the last few weeks of summer, kills us all. Tell us a little about yourself, Miss Melody.

Melody, A Scout
1:55
Thanks, KimBoo. And welcome, listeners. I am so happy you have taken time out of your busy schedules to listen to us. And my name is Melody, A Scout, and I help my clients find their sense of home by restoring balance and harmony to their lives through plant spirit medicine and my book Soul of the Seasons.

KimBoo
2:17
This week or with this episode week, episode year, I don’t know anymore. What is time, right? We’re starting something new. We’re going to open up with a short little roundtable discussion about what we’re up to because we have so much going on. And I know we’ve talked to you, listeners, a few times about projects that we’re doing as we’ve covered the topics that we’ve been talking about. But we want to give you guys a little bit of an insight into what is actually going on with us as writers, as professionals, and as people who got a lot of projects going on. So I’m gonna put Gina on the hot table first. What’s on your agenda these days writing-wise and what are you doing?

Gina
2:56
Well, I have two things business-wise that are going on. One is the Story Camp writing retreat, which is coming up. Yes. It’s my favorite thing to do, honestly. It’s coming up October 31 through November 5. We’ve got eight women in the house, on the beach, St. George Island. Currently, I’m doing these once or twice a year. And right now, I’m focusing on creating, we do little mini workshops through the course of the days. There’s a lot of time for writing and self care, but we will do some workshops. So that’s what I’m working on for the retreat. And then for my writing, I am trying to figure out these platforms, Ream for one, Reamstories, and Substack, and how I’m going to share both fiction and nonfiction on those platforms. I have a wonderful intern this year, who’s helping me, or this semester, who’s helping me with a nonfiction book that is related to what we’re talking about on this podcast, which is the creativity cycle. So I’m, I’m working on that and working on figuring out these platforms. So that’s keeping me plenty busy, ladies.

KimBoo
4:15
Seriously. How about you, Melody? I know you’re still working on that novel. But are you doing anything else? Or is that most of what’s got your time?

Melody
4:21
I’ve put my feet up on the beach. That’s all I’m doing.

Gina
4:24
Oh, oh, lucky you.

KimBoo
4:28
I was like, Ah, okay, let’s take that.

Melody
4:33
I did that one day. The rest of that was a big fat lie. Because a lot of shifts and changes are going on in my life right now. One includes exiting a job, moving, and opening up some time and space to continue to manifest one of my dreams and that Is to have, to own a piece of property in northern Wisconsin where I grew up, in the land that I love. So, though these changes were a bit of a surprise, I only got notified a couple of weeks ago, I can see how much relief I feel in having the weight of those responsibilities released. So I’m looking forward to that. Sadly, I haven’t been doing much writing lately, because in addition to that, I have nearly a full-time landscaping business. KimBoo’s aware.

KimBoo
5:34
That’s really taken off over the course of this year, like yes, landscaping business.

Melody
5:39
Yes, a landscaper and a designer. And that has kept me really busy this year. I’m grateful for that. And so I can focus on that and just looking forward to getting back into writing my historical novel. So I am looking forward to that.

Gina
5:56
You’ll have plenty of time to do that when you get into that cabin in Wisconsin. And I meant to tell you, my Pop, who does the introduction for our podcast, told me to tell you that when you get moved, we’re coming up there because he wants to go fishing in Wisconsin.

Melody
6:13
Oh, absolutely. You cannot hardly throw a stone in northern Wisconsin without hitting the lake. So he is welcome to come. I’m gonna build me a little, my guest cabins. So my writer friends can come up and have some quiet and some retreat time up there. I’m just really looking forward to that.

Gina
Hurry. Hurry. 

Melody
Yeah.

Gina
So, what about you, KimBoo?

KimBoo
6:42
Oh, what about KimBoo? So KimBoo’s got so many irons in the fire, which as anybody who knows me knows, nothing unusual about that. I am starting some more accessible coaching, I think. There are gigs on Fiverr, and Fiverr is not really a freelancing gig site I’ve used much, so there’s a learning curve there. That’s kind of what I’ve been focusing on this week. I’m offering coaching and also other services for writers there. So we’ll see how that goes. I love working with writers. I love masterminding and productivity stuff. So anybody who’s worked with me before knows that’s something I really enjoy, ao I hope I get some clients. 

As for writing, Transmigrated Teri, which is my portal fantasy serial that I started in July, which–Gina is clapping, and you can see that she’s laughing, but she is because she loves the story. The first installment is up on the Ream platform because, like Gina, I am using the Ream platform for my fiction. It’s for paying members now. I think I’m going to start doing public, free installments, probably sometime in October or November. But writing that every day, and that’s been a lot of fun. I’m just really having a good time just letting that story rip. And then I’m doing some edits on Wolves of Harmony Heights so I can get that up on Ream for Followers to be able to have access to that older story. 

And you know, just thinking about stories I want to work on next. I’ve got such a plateful that I’ve always just, I want to work on more stories. So that’s been a lot of my energy these days. That’s where I’m at. Yeah, good stuff. It’s all good. It’s just like, it’s one of those you get to the end of the week and you’re like, What did I do this week? Because you’re just doing so many things, and you’re just exhausted. So that’s been a little bit of my life for the last couple of weeks.

Melody
8:36
And I wanted to mention, although I haven’t had time for much writing, I do subscribe both to Gina and KimBoo’s Substack, whatever your subscription. I subscribed to it. Yeah. And I’m loving your stories. I’ve got to tell you. I’m really loving your stories. Gina, I love that one you wrote about Nate that was the impetus for the novel you’re working on. Oh, I love love love that. And yours too, KimBoo. Just very insightful, made me think. So I highly recommend y’all subscribe to it. The links are on our website.

KimBoo
9:19
Yep, everything that we talk about, if it exists online, we’ve got links to it. But speaking of talking about stuff, now that we’re all caught up with what we’re doing, we are moving on to the next step of The Creativity Quest. Yes. And so with that, I’m going to turn it over to the Mistress of the Quest. You’re like our dungeon master on Dungeons and Dragons. Right now, like you’re leading us through the quest of creativity. We’re up to, I don’t know what… I can’t spell, so I don’t …

Melody
T

KimBoo
Right. T. Taking Ownership, so you know… enough of my babbling, Gina. Makes some sense of this for me.

Gina
9:59
All right, I’ll do my best. Just as a quick recap, we have been talking about this creativity quest, and if you haven’t noticed it, if you’ve listened to past episodes, we are going through each stage or phase of the quest, and I am going to put a little bit of new language around that now. We’re going to call these guideposts, because this is a journey. This is not a linear journey. It can be windy, windy. It can be loopy.

KimBoo
10:30
Oh, I really like that. I’m gonna stop, because we’ve been going back and forth. Are they a stage? Are they a phase? Are they a step? I like that terminology. That’s guideposts. That’s fantastic. I really, that fits.

Gina
10:43
I think it’s going to work better because guideposts are directional, and we can go in lots of different directions when we go through any of these phases. So just to recap, we’ve gone through Carrying Inner Disquiet, our C. We’ve gone through Releasing, Emulating and Mirroring, and Assessing and Acknowledging, and we’ve spoken about each one of these in past episodes, along with how these are manifested in our inner landscape through discussions about Melody’s book Soul of the Seasons, and how they parallel or relate to the seasons, our internal seasons. 

So here we are at T, which is Taking Ownership. And this is the place when our authentic self has the greatest opening for showing up. At this stage, we are taking flight. We’re diverging from any teachers or mentors that we might have been relying on, and we’re stepping into ourselves in a greater way, and stepping into our creativity in a greater way. 

In this, when you arrive at this guidepost, it can spur on more exploration. This guidepost has you at a place where you are claiming a greater autonomy in the choices that you make around your creative work and what you want that to look like. There’s a saying that has a number of different attributions to it, including to Rumi, it is, “You are the one you’ve been waiting for.” And so this is the stage or the guidepost at which you embrace that. 

It’s a little challenging, in that sometimes when we arrive at this guidepost, we can get all up in ourselves. So it’s really important when you arrive here to keep this balance between claiming your truth and who you are and what you represent and what your creativity represents–keeping a balance between that and getting entangled in your ego.

KimBoo
13:09
The ego.

Gina
13:10
Yes, yes. So there is this balance, a necessity for some humility. So believing that we are at our best, believing that we are arriving at the person, the creative person, that we want to be, but balancing that with a humility. Because it can lead to hubris, which can can kick us back–I call it looping–into a phase of not creating, which is what happens when we were in that Carrying Inner Disquiet phase. It can also kick us back into Releasing because we clearly have some things that we have to work through if our ego is the one that is taking control. Sometimes it will kick us back into Emulating and Mirroring because we have more to learn. We need to re-engage with those mentors and those teachers because we’ve gotten all proud of what we’ve done and yet maybe we still are not quite there yet. And also, when the hubris takes over, we might need to go back to that Assessing and Acknowledging guidepost because we didn’t really honestly assess where we are. 

But when we’re at our best at this guidepost, it’s giving us momentum toward the next guidepost which is Inviting our Authentic Existence. So it’s a stopover on the way to really claiming that authenticity, but it is a place where we are really beginning to take ownership and really beginning to know what it is that we want to represent in this world. 

So for our discussion today, ladies, this may be one of the most challenging guideposts or stages, but I think that it is also one of the most revisited. As we increase our craft knowledge, as we refine what we want to share with the world, as we grow as a human, I want to remind you that this is very much a place of inner work. The first five guideposts fall into that inner work place. And so this is where the inner work is really intense. And just as the Assessing and Acknowledging stage requires deep self-honesty, this stage does too, without that ego entanglement, keeping a monitor on that ego entanglement. 

So knowing what you know now about this guidepost, I’d love to know from each of you, how has it shown up for you? And how have you navigated it? And as always, when I pose my question and go, Okay, who’s gonna first? Crickets.

KimBoo
16:06
Gina, queen of the softball.

Melody
16:11
Slide that one right in there.

KimBoo
16:14
You know, I’m going to, I’m going to jump. I’m going to take that challenge. Gina, I’m going to take you up on that because this is something I think, for me, I think we could go back in our lives, right? And point out times when we’ve done this, but for me, what really speaks to me when you were talking about Taking Ownership is what’s been happening over the past year for me, both with the subscription model that you and I have been exploring, Gina, and also the book that I just wrote and released called Become an Unstoppable Storyteller, which is all about how to craft long serial stories. Taking ownership for me in this environment and what I’ve been exploring on those two different topics, that to me are very related, is taking ownership of the fact that I really do love to write long involved stories, and I really do love to have an unbelievable amount of world-building in my stories. Whereas in the past, I’ve always tried to kind of shave off those interests a little bit in order to conform to market expectations, or what agents might want, or what publishers are currently publishing. And all of this research that I’ve done, probably since I was a kid, I mean, Writers Market was an annual purchase of my mother’s in my youth. So I’ve been looking at the publishing industry and the writing industry since I was child. And taking ownership for me over the past year has really come around to accepting the kind of writing I really want to do and focusing on how to make that work instead of trying to change the type of writer I am to fit these ideas of other people of what a writer is supposed to be. So I think that fits in the Taking Ownership part of it. And I’m still poking at the corners on that. I’m not gonna say it’s a done deal. But I feel so much more empowered in my writing, acknowledging that and taking ownership of those traits of mine as a writer.

Gina
18:33
So I love that you say that it’s not a done deal. Because like I said, I think this guidepost very well may be the one that we revisit the most often. Because as we, you know, different parts of our lives as we grow and as we learn more about ourselves, we’re different people at different times in our lives. And so I think it makes sense that we revisit this periodically as things in our lives shift, as we may shift our own priorities, both creatively and in the rest of our lives. So no, it’s not a done deal. 

Melody
Darn it. 

Gina
Sorry. This isn’t one I think we can finish either.

KimBoo
19:24
Oh, man. Typical.

Gina
19:28
What about you, Melody?

KimBoo
19:29
Come on, Melody. Step up to the plate. What you got for us?

Melody
19:32
I love that term guideposts that you use. In my book Soul of the Seasons, I spoke about this as well. I use the term waypoints, but it’s the same thing. Talking about the map. And in an interview I heard recently, where a woman was, a teacher was mentoring a young man and didn’t like—he had big dreams but she didn’t care for where he was headed and she said to him one day, “You need to change your map. There are a lot of maps, and maps change over time, and you need to change the map you are following.” That was so profound to me. And our understanding. That’s why maps change over time as well. There’s different maps depending on where you want to go in your journey. And maps change over time based on our understanding of the terrain. 

Somebody else I knew asked me what is the most important thing about a map? And everybody listed off a bunch of stuff, and they said, “No, the most important about thing about a map is knowing where you are on the map.” Otherwise, the map is of no use to me. And that knowing where I am on the map, to me, signifies authenticity. I might want to be over there in the mountains, but I’m in the desert right now. And me acting as if I’m in the mountains, is that going to help me in the desert? And so learning to be honest with myself and my work. 

I remember, during the writing of Soul of the Seasons, I threw everything in the first few drafts, including the kitchen sink in the neighbor’s backyard. And I’m sure Gina was going, “Okay, now we’re gonna be wading through the weeds for a little bit.” She gave me some great feedback on my writing, and then left it to me to sort it out. And I clearly remember the time when I sent back towards the final revision, and her note to me was something akin to—like I had tears, because, “You have found your voice.” And that’s powerful. It was so powerful to hear that and to know it. I knew it inside. I knew what was me and what was me trying to emulate my favorite writers or me thinking what my readers would want to hear, and I have a cadence, and I have a particular way of unfolding a story. And coming into that was a huge aha for me, and it helped really clarify the work that needed to be done going forward.

Gina
22:45
I think that when we slip into performative mode, we feel it. We feel it. So when you said, you know, I was giving you the external validation you’d found your voice, but you felt it inside. You knew that. And that’s something that we all need to pay more attention to. That’s been something I’ve been challenged with because it requires some notice of intuition and our bodily responses and those kinds of things. And that is something that I just, we don’t teach people how to do that very well. And so really paying attention to that, I think, can inform how we navigate to and through this particular guidepost. 

And something you mentioned about the map that really struck a bell with me. And I don’t want us to get—I know it’s a rabbit hole we could go down, ladies. So, okay, this is just a warning. Right? 

KimBoo
We’re bracing ourselves. 

Gina
Because we have talked about this in a previous episode. But I think that another thing, that looking at the map and where we are on that map, another thing about that map that is very important are the boundaries. And I think it is those boundaries that we can pay attention to and use in a way that can support us in this Taking Ownership. Because, I don’t know about you guys, but there’s a word that I have a hard time saying sometimes. I’m getting better at it, but it’s “No.” 

Melody
24:33
I thought it was going to be discipline, but…

Gina
24:37
No. When I don’t use that word often enough, it takes me away from my creative work, because I’m committing to do things that other people want me to do instead of what I want to do. And that is taking me away from claiming ownership of my creative life and of really giving myself the time and the focus that’s necessary to recognize when I am being authentic, and to be able to say, “Yes, this is what I stand for, this is what I believe in. And this is what I want my art to represent.”

Melody
25:14
And I have a challenge, I think of a habit of picking up other people’s maps.

KimBoo
Ooo, Oh. Interesting. 

Gina
25:25
Say more, say more.

Melody
25:28
You know, what would so-and-so do? What would my favorite author do? What would my teacher do? Which may be all valid information and wisdom, but it’s not mine. And I think when we had that exchange between Gina and I, during the writing of my book, I felt like I found my map, and it was so grounding to me. It was grounding because when you’re working off of somebody else’s maps and guideposts, you get blown around. You don’t know, Is this really my idea? Or is it something about their idea? Is it really what I want to do? I don’t know what I want to do. But once you land in that space where your authenticity is grounded in truth and integrity, you know it. And it actually makes things much easier.

Gina
26:37
What you were saying there is a perfect example. I’ve mentioned before that you can be at any one of these stages, phases, guideposts, you can be in more than one at a time. And that’s hard for people to get their mind around. But that’s a perfect example that you mentioned, when you were talking about picking up someone else’s map and wondering what would your mentors do? So here you are approaching Taking Ownership, and you’re feeling like you’re getting close, but you still have one foot in Emulating and Mirroring, because you’re reaching back to what would your mentors do? 

KimBoo and Melody
Ah, Uhm huh, Yeah. 

Gina
So that’s a perfect illustration of how we can almost exist in two places at once on this map.

KimBoo
27:22
Oh, that’s, that’s very insightful for me. Yeah. That really is. And I love the map analogy that we’re going with right now because I was really struck by the idea of what you said about it, Melody, that a map is only useful to you if you know where you are. Like, I’m here in North Florida. If I had a map of California, and I did not know where I am, then the map of California is not going to be very helpful to me. I’d be looking for highways that don’t exist, I’d be looking for cities that don’t exist, I’d be looking all around. And I think, sometimes when we look at other people’s maps, we get caught in that Emulating and Mirroring because we’re trying to find these locations, trying to find these things, when, because we haven’t really figured out where we are. And that is, to me, kind of what I… very vividly shows what I was going through in the years where I was trying to make it as an author by following other people’s maps. I didn’t really know where I was. But everybody told me this map is the way you’re supposed to do it, and I kept trying to follow them up and not going where everybody else was. Just, I was so confused. But I was trying to do it that way and shying away from taking ownership because I was scared of what taking ownership would reveal and result in. I know I mean, I don’t know, Gina, that’s a little taking a sideways view of it. But I think there was real fear there. If I take ownership of this and do my thing, is that going to sink the ship? Is it just gonna go down in flames?

Gina
29:13
Are you creating a map that’s useless?

KimBoo
29:17
Right here. Here be dragons, you sail off the end of the map and you fall off the world. And there you go.

Melody
29:26
And to be fair, some of these maps are perfectly legitimate for the people who wrote them and the people that share a similar vision. If that person is not you, again, it’s like being in Florida having a map of California. Really interesting. I love looking at maps. Not helpful. I cannot get from here to where I’m going by looking at California. 

Gina
29:55
But don’t you think that we have to pick up a lot of different maps before we really figure out where we are?

Melody
30:02
I think we often do. Yeah. I mean, there’s a few people that—and God bless them—that know since they were five what their map is, and real clear about it. I was not one of those people. I was more like, yeah, I was in my 30s, before I started looking at maps, different maps. 

KimBoo
30:26
Well, it gets back to the Emulating and Mirroring. We have to look at other people’s maps, and I think of, you know me, I love tall ships and the age of sail and the importance of the captain. A lot of people think the importance of the captain was because the captain was in charge of everybody, was the manager of the ship, right. But the actual importance of the captain was that the captain had enough experience sailing in enough different waters under other captains, that he could look at a landscape around them or weather around them, and no matter what the map was saying, he would be able to say, “No, there are shoals over there. I can tell by the looks of the waves.” It was the experience of the act of sailing that made him the captain, an ideal way. But he had to get that by riding on a lot of other boats and ships before he would have the knowledge that would make him someone who could handle that type of responsibility. So I know I’m throwing analogies around and metaphors around here, but that was something I thought of.

Gina
It works. It works.

KimBoo
Because, yeah, cuz you do. You have to try other people’s maps. You have to ride on other people’s ships. You have to figure this out. So that you know. I would never have discovered myself as a serial author if I hadn’t, for years, been exposed to serial stories. I just didn’t know it. I didn’t realize the effect that it had on me or that that was something I wanted to do.

Gina
31:50
And let us not forget how much we can be supported in this entire journey when we are willing to embrace the idea of being a beginner, when we are willing to to recognize, “I’ve still got stuff to learn, and that is going to help me get to the place where I can live fully into the creative life that I can only imagine.”

KimBoo
32:20
Okay, so here we are back to the ships thing. Hubris, sink ships. Hubris sunk the Titanic because they were going too fast. There you go. Don’t sink your ships, buddies. Hubris, get you every time.

Gina
32:37
Well, maybe that’s a good place for us to kind of wrap things up. And we’ll continue to talk about this topic, though. In our next episode, when we will relate it to I think it’s the season of summer. Right, Melody?

Melody
32:51
It is the season of summer because summer includes the qualities of leadership and authenticity and truth, being grounded in truth. 

Gina
Excellent. 

Melody
So it dovetails very nicely.

Gina
33:06
Great. And we’re going to have, as usual, a worksheet attached to this podcast episode on our website: AroundTheWritersTable.com.

KimBoo
33:15
That’s including also all of the other resources and links to other episodes that we’ve talked about. On our website, you can go and also see the transcript, as well as there’s a comment form. We would love to hear from you. We get way too much spam. Come on, people. Give us some real comments, feedback on the episode, things you’d like us to cover. That can be found on our website. You can listen to our podcast on our website, but also on the major distributors. I don’t know who you’re listening through right now, but we are on Spotify, and as of now, we are almost all the way on YouTube. There’s a slight delay while I catch up all the old episodes. So if you’re listening to podcasts on YouTube, you can catch us there now as well. So we definitely would love that, for everybody to stop by our website. Leave a comment, give us a thumbs up, or a heart, or whatever the heck review of, on your podcast listening app du jour. I guess that’s it. We’ll see y’all next time.

Melody
34:13
Bye, everyone. 

Gina
Thank you, listeners. Thanks for being here.

KimBoo
34:15
All ready to go. Thanks, everybody.

Dave
34:21
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